Debate : Veg. - Non veg.

Debate on Veg – Non Veg

All the people in this debate have been shown a following video (petatv video)

Ali Abdullah : I agreed what they are showing to this video is cruel this is not a way to sacrifice lawful animal...base on this we cannot eat meat of this animal..pig is prohibited in all major religion....and of course those daises can be reject if u do not have excessive of it.

Rahman Sheikh: If "ALL" humans stopped having non veg, there will not be any veg left for them to eat..and if all humans start eating non-veg the food chain will get disturbed.....respect both vegetarians and non vegetarians

Kasthuri Rengan: You may not be a born vegetarian; but you can grow as a vegetarian if you have the awareness. God will not be unkind to provide food if entire world turns into vegetarian. Dont you feel pathetic in killing defenseless animals. Prick your hand with a pin once and feel the pain....Think before you eat

Yogi Baria-Vegan:: ‎@Ali Abdulla - So you are proud to slaughter an animal in a way that they die a painless death ??? And makes you free of diseases? so is it fine to dine upon it then, if I kill a man and give him a painless death, is it fine too ?? a chicken or a goat also has brilliant mind and heart of its own, if I cut a branch or pluck a fruit I guarantee that same branch which is cut will grow and develop but when u cut wings can u grow them back or will the birds be able to grow them back, don't u think wings are for flying and not for eating, when u cut a goat's limb will it grow, isn't it given for a goat to walk . Humans are the only one to comprehend all this. My respect and love for your religion is higher than u can imagine but my views on sacrificing an animal does not match.

Yogi Baria-Vegan:: ‎@Rahman Sheikh - Are you saying that if the whole world would turn over vegetarian all the vegetables would become scarce. The number of plants that must be fed to an animal to produce enough meat for one human is greater than the number of plants required to feed that same human if he or she ate the plants directly. Meat-eaters are responsible for consuming more plants than vegetarians, and they also kill and cause suffering to animals. Half of our agriculture goes in animal rearing. Rich food to fatten the farm animal goes in to produce quality meat for wealthy people and waste comes out in the form of dead flesh - meat.

Our own people is suffering more because we look into raising grains to feed animals for exotic meat rather than giving it to the undernourished. We raise animals to kill them for food.. are humans so great ?? how will you feel when someone raises you just to dine over u.

Dev Kumar: Once I asked to group of Muslim Guys why can't you stop eating animals. what they replied? They said...." Are you Crazy??? If we stop eating animals....they will be over populated and there won't be enough space on land for for humanity to live". So I tricked them...I slightly changed my question and again asked " It would be Sin if you keep torturing animals and eating them" again they smartly answered " If animal is eating animal is it a Sin? is that cruelty?. I was speechless.

Dev Kumar: What kind of moron thinks that we are the ones who balance the nature?? if all start eating veg there will be shortage of veg??? Great Ur community IQ level must be Minus - 10. BIS research say earth quake is being caused by Millions of Animals are being slaughter in machine mercilessly and when they cry and scream their waves direct hit the core plate of earth and in return that backfire a jolt. Google It…Your Tongue is addicted to Taste so you will give an excuse of religion or ur stupid thoughts.

Nidhi Halan: ‎@all the people who want to eat meat.. I just have one thing to say to all.. If you cannot feel the pain of some living animal that is being tortured before being killed mercilessly to satisfy your carnal needs, you don’t have the right to call yourself human. So you can choose and carry on with your morbid lives with your eyes shut and heart frozen.

Dev Kumar: ‎@Saba That's exactly is my point, this video does not hardly matter to flesh eater :). Also, you must be more generous to offer yourself when Nature comes for revenge :). Nature has its own style of way to eat flesh eaters ,fried, tadka, kabaab tandoori style etc :). History is witnessed all the natural disaster happened where flesh eaters or others have done more Sin. 2003 Indonesia , chennai tsunami- They have killed billions of fishes in name of Blue Revolution, Japan 2011 Tsunami, citizen of Japan have started eating baby fetus and fetus were in demand girls were selling fetus has became a great business. Animals, no matter how small play a great part to balance the nature. believe it or Not, nature work's according to human behaviors.

Yogi Baria-Vegan:: ‎@Dev kumar on people who answer that over population of animals if we don't eat them - species only exist in the numbers that they do because humans breed them for meat and other animal products. We make them to grow in numbers for our selfishness. chickens and others are bred unnaturally. They will not over run us. nature knows how to keep the balance. If they so concerned about population then in that case humans should be the one who must be killed to keep the balance.

Yogi Baria-Vegan:: ‎@Dev Kumar " If animal is eating animal is it a Sin? is that cruelty?" Do they compare themselves with animals :) We err in copying the lower animals. They are not visualizing who they really are. I will try to help them know better. I completely agree with their point but thinking about how others feel is what humans have as a gift. We have a highly developed zeal and love. We are different..poring blood , slicing throat of a goat or a chicken is horror indeed.. disgusting.. we are in the 21st century evolved with emotions of love towards all animals.. stimulate that compassion towards all and the one avoids it are perturbed to spoil their dinner .. Men knows animals have families but He sees his family first and ignorance of animal pain becomes as if done to justify his actions is natural for his own survival.. Which is by far not needed and 'Wrong'. Our orchards offer all the delights imaginable while the slaughter houses and butchers are full of congealed blood and abominable stench.. with blood and eyes popped out, where u sit and eat is not what a human will want.. disguising the dead meat by culinary preparations, the outward appearance is changed and tenderized because the sight of raw and bloody meat only exited horror and disgust in man.

Saba Ahmad: ‎@Yogi and Dev... I feel really strange about people who are bothered about what others are doing... It would be much better if u look and concentrate on ur own deeds and actions and what U r doing for the society... Let others be and concentrate on ourselves... Preach less and act more.

Mustafizur Rahman Maruf: Whoever made this video is an A$$hole!!! plants have life too!!! so u r also killing them. so an animal is able to make noise and show some resistance means they get the pity !!! Whatever the screams of plants! we do not able to hear it does mean they do not scream, does not mean they do not have family!!! beside, it’s not meat what makes heart disease. it’s how people maintain their diet! means how much they consume! Mad cow is human created! Cattle r vegetarian but greedy farmers where feeding them organs of sheep so they can grow quickly!!! if u want to live healthy then choose good diet and yes try to go back original farming of old days! where people raise farms or cattle like a domestic animal should raise, not giving them hormone injections to produce more milks, changing their diet and not killing harsh manner to save money and to process quickly so that more meat can be supply to fast foods!!! Eating Pork is not allowed by any religion or major religion but still people eat it even though scientifically proven how bad its impact could be to human health!!! apart from that, what about the vegetables that are GMO (Genetically Modified Organism). some of them have shown already big impact on mother nature!!! what about using pesticides to produce more vegetables to uses of green house! The main issue here is Capitalism not herbivorous or vegetarian. Diverting people to become more vegetarian is a pure propaganda of Seeding companies because to produce GMO crops each year u have to buy seeds from them. no GMO crops can reproduce or act like a seed if u plants it or want to use it as seeds!!! Educate urself first. knowledge is the key!

Yogi Baria-Vegan: ‎@ Mustafizur - the way u start your comment with a bad word shows and proves which I didn't believe but now it seems certain... As a result of the increase in pain, the subtle tama - inertia(greed, anger) component goes up in the meat. This is also partly caused by the animal having increased thoughts of anger towards the people killing it in a manner that is required by these communities. Holding an animal upside down for his or her throat to slit apart the veins is a violation in itself.

Knowledge is the key. Yes it is, to open the lock of our close minds and heart to feel the difference in plant and animal life. I was a non vegetarian earlier in the past when I was stuck with just seeing the circle of life as an excuse to kill animals for survival. For a human there is a lot more in the canvas of life to explore then just seeing everything with one frame of mind. I realized my mistake that it is not needed for a human being to kill and capture animals for his own gain, there are alternatives.. .. "I have always eaten animal flesh with a somewhat guilty conscience."

Yogi Baria-Vegan: It has been over a year without any animal product in my diet (not even milk). I am a vegan. I am a gym going enthusiastic. I am healthy than most lac-to vegetarian or non vegetarian. There are alternatives and there are ways to get everything without killing animals. I assure you. I have experienced it. On the similar note if there is no other way then I would prefer death than gaining my own health by eating non veg. But believe me, there are. Try it once and feel the difference. I don't say you people are inhuman or some unkind words towards non vegetarians. Because I was one myself in the past. Unconditional love is all that is needed to feel connected and whole to every living being on this planet, once we see them as no 'them' or 'other' but just a part of 'us'....everything changes.

Yogi Baria-Vegan: I can even guess where your sources of knowledge is aggravating in seeing plant and animal feeding one and the same through peace TV's Dr Zakir. Right !

http://www.islamicvoice.com/december.98/zakir.htm

Plant life is all together a different life force on earth. I agree they are living too. First of all see the difference between a plant and an animal life by what we see, because God or the creator did not create science to make us know if plants feel pain or not..

Plants – Animals, blood – chlorophyll, legs – branches, eyes – buds, brain – stem, excretion – fruits, heart - Root

I think we can comprehend by this that humans have similar traits to animal so u can feel by your heart and eyes alone , no need of science, to know what a plant or an animal has to suffer for our so called taste because anyone can live being a healthy vegetarian or vegan.

The life which loves becomes food. Lets see if science can prove that plants love too. Just by looking at an animal u can figure it out that it is so much like us thats why we share our world with animals. u can cut vegetables in front of a kid , can u cut a goat's throat or chicken wings in front of them. Now I have to say Don't see the difference. Feel the difference.

Yogi Baria-Vegan: ‎@ Mustafizur ''Whatever the screams of plants! we do not able to hear it does means they do not scream, does not means they do not have family!!!'' what did your God give u, a ear to hear 20 cycles per second- to 20,000 cycles per second is the capacity heard by the humans.. or below that so that you hear plant shout or not. I know parent plant also exist but who can put a caring hand or lick their child with love.I don't see any thing which can make a plant do such things or create emotions such as these. Feel the difference.

Where as science goes Photosynthesis is exactly the reason plants are eaten. They are designed to bring in energy from the sun onto the Earth.

Without that, there would be no more energy on the Earth it would eventually be consumed. All life on earth is because of the sun and water. Well plants are the only one to convert that both and make food out of it. If we study the eco system there is always a line written- animals do not have the ability to make their own food that is why they depend on plants for it. Hmm.. Our education system only shows the life cycle or circle of life I would say, and makes us believe that we are animals so we should eat other animals but the bigger picture fades away. We know animals feel pain and suffer like we do and Humans are capable to visualize it. I am a Human who can acknowledge the position of the other being which suffers. So why should I bring trouble to the one who has not even caused me aggravation. In matters like this one should use a human heart which God has endowed us with, not science which we created.

Yogi Baria-Vegan: ‎@Saba I am not bothered about what others are doing, I am bothered for my animal friends who are tortured and killed when humans know they can live on a vegetarian or vegan diet. I am a vegan who refuses to use any animal products including animal milk and what I am doing for the society and my mother earth is incontrovertible. If you have any doubt then have look on the Internet what difference does it make to be a vegan for the environment? For those concerned about our environment, reducing meat consumption is as fundamental as reducing car use or being a conscientious recycler. According the study report, meat eating or non vegetarian food habit practiced by human beings all over the world played an important role in global warming as well as polluting all components of our biosphere.

Mustafizur Rahman Maruf: ‎@Yogi: yes, u can only accuse me for starting with bad words! I acknowledge it but I was pissed to see all these lies and its going for long time!!!

I do not want to argue with u as I think I have already stated my points and all the points r valid. If not then search for it and u must agree with me. At the last I will end with a quotation of a wise man as I am sure u r not getting what our points r and trying to say what u just have to say or u believe!!! The quote "it is wise to argue with an illiterate person than to an irrational person."

Vivek Subs Mustafizur- you’re as dumb as a person can get. You just won’t listen to all the points Yogi suggested, all backed up by research. You just won’t listen to the plight of an Animal for the devils sake!

Dev Kumar: That's the difference studying in Madrassa and college :). And Dr Zakir's lectures are bonus to destroy brain cell.

Dev Kumar: ‎@Yogi read the book "Autobiography of a Yogi" By Paramhansa Yogananad. there is a chapter, he met a Indian scientist Jagdish chandra basu who discovered the life in plants tree, further he also explained that even metal has a reaction, on that he explained metal and everything made of a small particle and particle original form is light and that light is Creator (God). Even while we breath.. Kills millions of small bacteria (unseen to eye) though they have also life....right. How Muslim will take it ...." See killing bacteria is not a sin while breathing...so killing animal is also not a sin " lol. Read it you will find lot of scientific facts and experiment done under spiritual guidance. There is one more book called "The Holy Science" By Yukteshar Ji. Thought I must share it with you... :)

Hiten Patel: While the documentary is good in its own right, how much has it benefited the lives of the Vegans? There are just as many individuals with diseases and ailments who are Vegans. How about the suggestion(s) on growing enough crops so that the World Hunger can be sustained? :) Remember what we see is sometimes really not the problem :) Even plenty of Vegans are diabetic and loaded with all kinds of ailments blood pressure, cancer, TB, etc. Let’s keep the country CLEAN and the fat asses lean, mean and trimmed with plenty of exercises. Stop eating Cheese or Milk or GHEE (which is nothing more than clarified FAT). What about the Vegans who with their likes and love of milk based product put a strain on animals and suck them dry of their milk ? You see, the problem lies at several stages of a society not just the Non-Vegetarians. Some of the crap is nothing more than propaganda on this Video. How much do you think average Vegan has outlived the Non-Vegan? :) Solutions are plenty but nobody wants to implement. We all talk about it and spread the PETA videos but does it really work? I don’t think so.

Yogi Baria-Vegan: For Mustafizur... Here are some of the quotes from wise men around the world you would like to read as you follow the quotes of wise men. "I am in favor of animal rights as well as human rights. That is the way of a whole human being." Abraham Lincoln, 16th U.S. President "The time will come when men such as I will look upon the murder of animals as they now look on the murder of men." Leonardo da Vinci, artist and scientist

"Non-violence leads to the highest ethics, which is the goal of all evolution. Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages." Thomas Edison, inventor

"For as long as men massacre animals, they will kill each other. Indeed, he who sows the seed of murder and pain cannot reap joy and love." Pythagoras, mathematician

"Our task must be to free ourselves . . . by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature and its beauty." "Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances of survival for life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet." Albert Einstein, physicist, Nobel Prize 1921

"As long as there are slaughterhouses, there will be battlefields."

"What I think about vivisection is that if people admit that they have the right to take or endanger the life of living beings for the benefit of many, there will be no limit to their cruelty." Leo Tolstoy author

"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."

"To my mind, the life of a lamb is no less precious than that of a human being."

Mahatma Gandhi, statesman and philosopher ..

Yogi Baria-Vegan: ‎@Dev " See killing bacteria is not a sin while breathing...so killing animal is also not a sin "

Organisms which die when we breathe are single celled organisms, largely phytoplankton and algae. These organisms use the sun’s energy to produce oxygen that collectively makes up about 80% of the air we breathe. There are organisms living as such in our body too and non vegetarians connect that with killing animals to safeguard their taste.. Play with a goat someday which is going to become your food moments later, make the goat run around , and let him or her chase u.. make a bond with it, goat's breathing will become hard after chasing u , feel the heart beating very fast than your own.. u will know that the same heart stopped beating just because of your taste.

Yogi Baria-Vegan: ‎@Dev I will surely go through with the books you have referred for me. Thanks and yes Sir Jagdish Chandra did experiments which prove many things. But those who put this as an excuse to support non vegetarian diet I would like to say to them - Did you read the actual experiments he conducted?

JCB, was not able to get any response from plants by cutting it or tearing the leaves.

He only got a response when he dipped the roots in acid. It gave a faint response before it "died"(we know roots are sensitive).n What interesting with the same experiments and apparatus he also came to the conclusion that metals have life. I bet you never heard of that :-). They don't teach us in schools.

Experiments with music were conducted on plants and they are shown to give out a different vibration and grow better. Music is a vibration And it affects almost everything. even water. Checkout Masaru emoto experiments.

And other who have tried the same. Death Metal music makes water structure look very ugly. All of these experiments are not conclusive. And they have not taken into account various other factors of vibrations.

Yogi Baria-Vegan: ‎@Hiten How much do you think average Vegan has outlived the Non-Vegan?

It is not about outliving each other, it is about compassion towards our fellow beings. Peta videos are useful and can make many realize it. here is the small list of my selected peoples who are vegetarian or vegans...

First of all Mike Tyson :) Who is a vegan.

Leo Tolstoy, Emerson, Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Alexander Pope, Sir Issac Newton, Pythagoras, Gandhi, Leonardo Da Vinci, George Bernard Shaw, Abraham Lincoln, Tobey Maguire, Peter Singer, Pamela Anderson, Jim Carrey, Simon Sui-Cheong Chau, Jimmy Liao, Casey Affleck, Alicia Silverstone, Natalie Portman, Jennifer Connelly, Bryan Adams, Donald Watson, Ingrid Newkirk, Madonna, Justin Timberlake, Michael J. Fox, Tom Hanks

Yogi Baria-Vegan: ‎@Hiten ''Stop eating Cheese or Milk or GHEE (which is nothing more than clarified FAT)''

Yes vegans don't consume dairy products. There are difference between vegans and vegetarians .

Dev Kumar: ‎@Yogi, Here is link to book available online. read the chapter 8,

In this chapter JCB take Yogi to his lab and where he perform a experiment on both Plants and later on metal which even leave Yogi speechless. really sound so weird but he only conclude that metal has an reaction when he drop some kind of chemical on them and how they react to it, but this does not state that Metal has a life....but he hint for something.

Though entire book is worth for reading...

http://www.ananda.org/inspiration/books/ay/

Balkar Singh: Just OBSERVE that what's happening...the guy -'Yogi' claiming to be pure veg [not even milk as he says] is able to answer every query in a very crystal clear manner...That is not happening with any of the non-veg here...it's really very possessive; their[non vegs] Minds have been made that it doesn't makes difference...no matter if you give the most apt and accurate logical statement - they’re already possessed...they don't really want to know...they KNOW that it's wrong but NO...they can't help it - A KID who is fed NON VEG never knows where it came from...I must say that it's not even their fault! And it's much more difficult to develop a Pure VEG kid by a non veg mom : is it?

Nachiket Shah: ‎@ all non veg loving people splay mushtafizur n miss saba,,,u eat non vg / flesh jus for d sake of satisfying ur tongue taste buds,,, jus for few hrs / mins of taste u kill an animal?? is this justified?? if yes then give urself to tiger, lion or any other animal to satisfy there hunger n not taste buds,,, u people argue like anything to justify ur nonveg eating habits n will never be satisfied with any reason or proof..

Chinmay Shukla: @ yogi Baria Immature childish stubborn a$$hole: you gave all the research shit but haven’t answered mustafizur..... How is a life different from a life. Don’t forget our ancestors Mr. neanderthal they all survived because of flesh...... and this one was great plant: Excretion = fruit...Oh dear a fruit is the baby of the plant. flowers are not anuses...... I really loved it... - Chinmay pure veg Bhramin.

Rajasekhar Pentakota: I have stopped eating since last 3 years. It was tough for me to give up non-veg. but finally I succeeded . I complete stopped eating. Now I’m very happy having been saving so many lives indirectly. Please love animals.

Yogi Baria-Vegan: ‎@Chinmay ''Chinmay pure veg Bhramin'' Do bhramins use bad language. I hope not. Thanks for your compliment too. ''How is a life different from a life.'' How is the life of a human different from a life of an animal ?

Why look back on our past as a reason to justify our present or our future? Do we think our past, present, or future looks great? We have a past full of pain, fear, and manipulation. One place we could start changing this is in our treatment of animals. Whether we evolved to eat meat or not is irrelevant. It is not unhealthy to be vegetarian or vegan nowadays (at least for those of us living in countries where conditions that allow it). So I don't care if my ancestors ate meat. If, and I mean IF their doing so allowed my brain to grow to what it is now, I would like to use that so-called developed brain to realize that my taste buds no longer justify the pain and torture of animals, and that instead, if I wanted to be a part of evolution as opposed to a static participant, I would like to evolve consciousness and by evoking more empathy and compassion for a chance at a brighter future instead of repeating a dark and dismal history.

Yogi Baria-Vegan: we have NOT eaten animals since the beginning of time. We've only been a meat-eating culture for about the last 10,000 years, around the time that we became a herding culture. In fact, the very first war ever fought was over cattle/livestock. Before that, we were mostly plant-eaters. Will Tuttle's book "The World Peace Diet" tells all about it. I HIGHLY recommend it, as it also connects the dots as to everything we do and everything that happens to us is directly related to our relationship with animals and with how we treat them.

Yogi Baria-Vegan: ‎@Balkar You are 100% right.'' A KID who is fed NON VEG never knows where it came from.'' We are all born vegetarian but as we grow some evolve as non vegetarian.

“You put a baby in a crib with an apple and a rabbit. If it eats the rabbit and plays with the apple, I'll buy you a new car.”― Harvey Diamond

This explains a lot. We are all born out of compassion but it fades away and we lose our conscience because of some false science.

Kalpana: ‎@all non-vegetarians: Quest: Don’t plants also experience pain when killed?

Ans: Yes, plants too experience pain when killed or when parts of it are severed. The comprehension of pain however is less than for animals. This is because the mind and intellect of a plant is rudimentary as compared to that of an animal. However, if a fruit or vegetable is plucked when it is fully ripe or has fallen from a tree, there is relatively no pain to the plant... now, get it?